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Interesting. I've never used the server, only the client.

I'm trying to use it in client mode only too -- it still complains about the missing uid... are you saying you actually have it running? I'm keen on getting this working because the AT&T time server seems to be off by about 10sec (and the time differs depending on whether I'm on 2G or 3G mode).

I believe the difference between server and client mode is simply in whether or not "listen" is set in ntpd.conf.

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Anyone got any ideas? Am really tired of having a clock that's wrong all the time (O2 don't broadcast the time signal and iTunes doesn't sync times- bah).

P.S. Anyone know if running the ntpd will prevent the iPhone from going into deep sleep? I'd rather it just ran once a day and then quit.

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Hope this helps. Now if I can start to understand where the startup scripts are on this thing, so that I can plug in ntpd to start automatically... (which I may have to change if it drains the battery too much)

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I forgot to add that the choice of uid/gid 83 is a poor one, because it appears that gid 83 is already in use in the /etc/group file. I did not do anything to reconcile this, but the next step would be understanding how the gids are allocated in /etc/group (some aspect of APT?) so that a new gid that I choose does not get re-used.

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